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Stop Me If You've Heard This One Before...

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Let me give full credit to one Brian Nelson of the "Bob and Brian" Morning Show in Milwaukee for this one. It is a show I have been a part of as their sports guy for 12 years now, and we started talking about what the hell Brett Favre was thinking when he retired back in March.

Brian's theory: "He's clinically depressed."

That thought sat there, and I agreed with it then, but I never really latched onto it as THE whole thing with this great NFL player and his life right now.

Now, I'm all in. The guy is hurting, and he needs help.

At least, that's my view from the couch. Hey, we're allowed to play armchair psychologist, right?

If Favre is truly, CLINICALLY depressed (i.e. in need of medication or therapy) and not just "sad" about not playing football for the Packers anymore, then any team thinking about trading for him needs to be very careful.

Can you imagine Favre, in a less than coherent mental state due to his depression, agreeing to report to the Jets. There, in New York's media crucible, he'll be given no slack whatsoever. What if he struggles, gets crushed by the idiotic Jet fans, and decides he's going to walk away during the season because he just can't bear it?

Disaster.

He may still be bitter about how things evolved with the Packers, and it may be YEARS before he agrees to "come home" for any future ceremonies or functions.

Hmmm. Sounds eerily like ANOTHER Hall of Fame QB by the name of Terry Bradshaw. Only after years of struggle, did Bradshaw come forward to admit he struggled with depression.

"Stigma is incredibly powerful," says the two-time Super Bowl MVP. "We'll talk about cancer and every other disease, including alcohol and drug abuse, but people do not want to talk about depression. There's something about depression that seems to say, 'I'm a tremendous failure' or 'I'm the biggest wuss there is.'"

But few would call Bradshaw a "wuss" or a "failure" on the field or off. He says it took all his courage to admit he was depressed and seek treatment.

"One of the reasons why I am doing this campaign – what I call my Depression Tour – is I want to tell people that it's okay to be depressed," Bradshaw adds. "Lots of people are depressed – you're not alone – and I want them to know that if you're clinically depressed there's a solution for you."

I'll grant you that I haven't read EVERY major newspaper in the country, or listened to every talking head on TV, but I'm a little suprised that nobody has raised this possibility yet. Perhaps depression is still too taboo, too stigmatizing, for anybody to speculate about it with a public figure.

Perhaps it would be out of line. Maybe I'm out of line for saying it. I don't know the rules on this, exactly.

But if Bradshaw is to be taken at his word in the above quote, then I think he would want people to talk about the possibilty of Favre being depressed, and supportive of him if he wants to seek professional, medical help.

55 Comments

West Coast Author Profile Page - August 6, 2008 9:36 PM

Sorry, interesting thought, but I'm not buying it. The evidence is overwhelming for the "I'm a star athlete, I have millions of people telling me how great I am, and I'll unretire, on my OWN terms, with whatever team I want, if I feel like it." Meglomania 1, Depression 0.

whitey Author Profile Page - August 6, 2008 9:48 PM

pretty lame Milhouse
A guy wants to do what he does best, and you think that is not a good thing. Do you realize that he turned down money to play again. This is America. Do you think that Aaron Rogers is actually a better Quarterback than He?

DJ Swing Author Profile Page - August 6, 2008 10:12 PM

This whole situation has exposed the Packers organization for who they really are. Packer fans have always prided themselves on being locally owned and operated. Like Greta owning stock. Bull-oney. The Packers are run by a bunch of white collar businessmen trying to make names for themselves. Look at the photo of the Executive Committee at packers.com. The ones who, according to ESPN, backed Thompson's handling of the situation. Then look at game film of Favre. Then tell me why we all watch and enjoy football instead of watching board meetings. I'm a Packer fan because of the players and the plays they make. Not because of roster moves, salary cap wizardry, personnel decisions, defensive "schemes" or offensive "systems". My favorite player is and will always be Brett Favre. I'm depressed.

Tiki Author Profile Page - August 6, 2008 10:14 PM

Brian first said that Favre sounded and looked like a man that was depressed the day he had his retirement. And I thought then that he was right and now more so than ever. He left the game with no plan just said 'he was tired'. It's almost like he has nothing to sustain him without the game, his daughter is all grown up, his wife has eliminated his 'havin a good ole time buddies, and football would be gone. It's the one constant he's had his whole life.

DJ Swing Author Profile Page - August 6, 2008 10:16 PM

This whole situation has exposed the Packers. Us Packers fans have always thought of this as "our" team. Locally owned and operated. Owned by the county. That delusion is over. The Packers are run by a bunch of white collared executives (look at the executive committe at packers.com) trying to make names for themselves. I watch football because of the players and the plays they make. Brett Favre has been the most enjoyable football player to watch for 16 years. He could have been for another 1, 2, maybe 3 more. Why anyone would take the side of management in this situation is totally beyond my cognitive abilities. I am depressed.

Bill-DC Author Profile Page - August 6, 2008 10:20 PM

He's still pissed his last throw was a pick.

Pig Pen Author Profile Page - August 6, 2008 10:45 PM

He couldn't make up his mind if he wanted to come back the year before and strung people along. He's egotistical and wants everyone to know he is the center of attention and feel the love. He was unhappy because mgmt didn't dance to his tune. The GM is no peach either. They deserve each other. Favre lost my respect by losing the class I always thought he had and Ted never had my respect. The Packer players have it right. Get it over with and let's play football. I'll miss Brett but I will still live.

twotikes Author Profile Page - August 6, 2008 11:19 PM

This theory lines up with comments made by McCarthy: "he's going through a real tough time", "he's not committed", "he's coming back for the wrong reasons" - this has been my working theory all along.

twotikes Author Profile Page - August 6, 2008 11:21 PM

This has been my working theory all along and lines up with what McCarthy has said:

"He's going through a real tough time."
"He's not committed."
"He's coming back for the wrong reasons."

d.the.duck Author Profile Page - August 7, 2008 12:25 AM

THANK GOD ITS OVER AND HE'S GONE.

He's like a TO, Ocho Stinko and Randy Moss in one. An attention whore, who thought he was bigger than the Packers. Hasta Lavista Bitch!

d.the.duck Author Profile Page - August 7, 2008 12:25 AM

THANK GOD ITS OVER AND HE'S GONE.

He's like a TO, Ocho Stinko and Randy Moss in one. An attention whore, who thought he was bigger than the Packers. Hasta Lavista Bitch!

Cpac4 Author Profile Page - August 7, 2008 12:54 AM

GO JETS! Now they have the best quarterback of all time. While we have....oh yeah, NOBODY! Get ready for years of losing seasons you STUPID RETARDED packer fans. Now all you Brett Favre hating, complaining idiots, who know nothing about football, will FINALLY see what its like again to SUCK BALLS! Get ready to get your asses beat by the likes of every rival in the division. God knows I'll be a HUGE jets fan this year, so we can at least maybe pick up some sort of decent player. God knows he'll never be of Favre's caliber. Get ready IDIOT'S!!! Time to suck....BAD! Get ready to finally see, what its like to watch a chicken with its head cut off, as your quarterback for the next 50 years.

Cpac4 Author Profile Page - August 7, 2008 12:55 AM

GO JETS! Now they have the best quarterback of all time. While we have....oh yeah, NOBODY! Get ready for years of losing seasons you STUPID RETARDED packer fans. Now all you Brett Favre hating, complaining idiots, who know nothing about football, will FINALLY see what its like again to SUCK BALLS! Get ready to get your asses beat by the likes of every rival in the division. God knows I'll be a HUGE jets fan this year, so we can at least maybe pick up some sort of decent player. God knows he'll never be of Favre's caliber. Get ready IDIOT'S!!! Time to suck....BAD! Get ready to finally see, what its like to watch a chicken with its head cut off, as your quarterback for the next 50 years.

Cpac4 Author Profile Page - August 7, 2008 1:02 AM

Also for any of you idiots who just "absolutely couldnt stand, the retirement saga for the last 4 years". HA HA HA HA THATS WHY YOU HATE BRETT FAVRE????? God you suck, get a life. How did that effect you as a fan at all? If it did, your just a total pussy with no life. Guess what, theres a UPS man out there who's been contemplating retirement for the last ten. You hate him too idiots??? Does that make you cry, like Brett Favre did? Does that effect your lifes soooo much like Brett being in the news did? FAGS. LONG LIVE THE FAVRESTER! I'll always be a packer fan, but the jets are now their equal in my book.

JR Author Profile Page - August 7, 2008 3:26 AM

Favre just wants to play and if the "bosses" who couldnt do your job an ounce as good as you could did that to you then you would feel the same way Favre does. I do believe he does have a little bit of depression but who wouldnt hearing all of the sudden that there is supposedly a better guy for the job than him when not a pass has been thrown in GB since the last time he played! Its insanity. McCarthy, Thompson and all the other guys in the front office are gonna get exactly what they deserve when GB finsihes 4-12 with the "Grestest QB Never to Start a Game in the NFL" Aaron Rodgers. What a joke! Go skins!

Sol rosenburgh Author Profile Page - August 7, 2008 4:04 AM

I feel sorry for any poor sap who invested in Packers "stock". Did they have a stockholders meeting about this? Didn't think so! As of 08/06/08 I'm officially a Jets fan until Ted Thompson gets fired.

Hollywood Wags Author Profile Page - August 7, 2008 4:20 AM

Kids don't get depressed, he's like a little kid out there.

A lot of people have second thoughts about retiring.

this is Brent's 1oth time retiring, so maybe it's a little much...but think about this, his name isn't Farve, it's Favre, and people go around pronouncing it Farve.

That should at least clue ya into something about the guy.

He's nuts. He's a football player. He can take it!

nebakanezer Author Profile Page - August 7, 2008 7:29 AM

I don't think you are as far off base as others do on this Steve, but the bottom line is that Favre should have announced back in March he was coming back. That would have covered all of his bases. He could have retired at anytime after that should he have decided that he REALLY didn't want to play. He still would have been heralded as a hero and everyone would have praised him for getting out of the game before it was too late (ala guys like Johnny U). If he decided he did want to play, he wouldn't have had to go through all of this and would still be in Green Bay. He also would have put the Packers on the spot. If they were hoping he would retire and move on, all the pressure and bad PR would have fallen on the organization for trying to get rid of him if that what they really wanted to do (which, of course, they would have never done). Favre has no one to blame but himself for this mess. I wish him luck in New York but I think this is going to be a disaster.

nebakanezer Author Profile Page - August 7, 2008 7:30 AM

I don't think you are as far off base as others do on this Steve, but the bottom line is that Favre should have announced back in March he was coming back. That would have covered all of his bases. He could have retired at anytime after that should he have decided that he REALLY didn't want to play. He still would have been heralded as a hero and everyone would have praised him for getting out of the game before it was too late (ala guys like Johnny U). If he decided he did want to play, he wouldn't have had to go through all of this and would still be in Green Bay. He also would have put the Packers on the spot. If they were hoping he would retire and move on, all the pressure and bad PR would have fallen on the organization for trying to get rid of him if that what they really wanted to do (which, of course, they would have never done). Favre has no one to blame but himself for this mess. I wish him luck in New York but I think this is going to be a disaster.

twister929 Author Profile Page - August 7, 2008 7:35 AM

I don't know what we got for him, but I would be happy if it was a 6 pack.

TAZ Author Profile Page - August 7, 2008 7:35 AM

Favre is a self centered millionaire. His wife and Buz Cook make all his decisions. The Thompson haters need to wake up. You are either a Packer fan or Favre fan. Decide. And to all the fans at Lambeau, quit booing Aaron Rodgers, he had nothing to do with the Favre Soap Opera.Favre is now playing in New York. World's largest media will fuel his ego....or destroy it. Mrs. Favre and Buz orchestrated the entire thing.Hope they are happy.
ps The whole thing was about money.

Th3Guy Author Profile Page - August 7, 2008 7:57 AM

If anyone is making Ted Thompson jerseys, I want one...

crockett3663 Author Profile Page - August 7, 2008 9:48 AM

Cpac4...you're a drunken idiot. Kudos to you for coming over from the Vikings side (we all know you're really a Viking fan anyway, with the way you "talk") just to bitch about NOT getting a REAL QB to replace that loser Tarvaris Jackson.

See ya Brett, and thanks for the future draft picks!!

cartman Author Profile Page - August 7, 2008 9:53 AM

Not buying the depression angle. This has been a powerplay that has been in gear for three years now. The GM won and finally got his way, which always happens in the long run. If you'd like to find depressed people, come to Wisconsin in December when the team is 5-9 and it's ten degrees outside with a chance of getting 10 inches of snow overnight.

cartman Author Profile Page - August 7, 2008 9:59 AM

Not buying the depression angle. This has beeen a three year powerplay between the best player on the team and the GM. Guess who always wins that one??

If you want to see depression, come to Wisconsin in late December when the Packers are 5-10, it's ten degrees outside and there is a forecast for ten inches of snow overnight.

skud Author Profile Page - August 7, 2008 10:03 AM

First, Cpac4 needs a valium prescription!

As for Brett...
I've been a long time PACKERS fan including the days when when we didn't even have the "Magic Man". Does Brett have a depression issue, ego problem, or does he just want to play again? I don't know. I'm guessing the Packers organization has more insight than any of us will know.

All I do know is that he has been playing the retirement card for the last several years. Truthfully, I'm just plain sick of it.

After his "official" retirement this time, the Pack has moved on to build a team without him.
If you don't think the Packers did the right thing, try this...

Today, go around and tell everyone (including your boss) that you are thinking of quitting your job. Next week tell everyone you changed your mind. In a month, do the same thing again. 2 months from now, turn in your notice and have your employer put an offer on the table for a replacement. Now tell them (once again) that you changed your mind & want to stay. Guess what - you'll become very familiar with monster.com in a heartbeat.

Goodbye Brett.

skud Author Profile Page - August 7, 2008 10:05 AM

First, Cpac4 needs a valium prescription!

As for Brett...
I've been a long time PACKERS fan including the days when when we didn't even have the "Magic Man". Does Brett have a depression issue, ego problem, or does he just want to play again? I don't know. I'm guessing the Packers organization has more insight than any of us will know.

All I do know is that he has been playing the retirement card for the last several years. Truthfully, I'm just plain sick of it.

After his "official" retirement this time, the Pack has moved on to build a team without him.
If you don't think the Packers did the right thing, try this...

Today, go around and tell everyone (including your boss) that you are thinking of quitting your job. Next week tell everyone you changed your mind. In a month, do the same thing again. 2 months from now, turn in your notice and have your employer put an offer on the table for a replacement. Now tell them (once again) that you changed your mind & want to stay. Guess what - you'll become very familiar with monster.com in a heartbeat.

Goodbye Brett.

Badgerbuddy96 Author Profile Page - August 7, 2008 10:10 AM

Cheer for the front of the jersey, not the back. Without 10 other players on the field, Favre would have be useless. This is a team game.

Badgerbuddy96 Author Profile Page - August 7, 2008 10:11 AM

Cheer for the front of the jersey, not the back. Without 10 other players on the field, Favre would have be useless. This is a team game.

Badgerbuddy96 Author Profile Page - August 7, 2008 10:12 AM

"been" useless that was.

smack323 Author Profile Page - August 7, 2008 1:02 PM

lets give Aaron Rogers a season before we burn him at the stake. I think it was the likes of players like ryan grant, greg jenning, and the o-line that got this team to the NFC championship game. give him a chance before you start bashing! oh and to Favre. Enjoy getting your ass beat in NY bitch!

smack323 Author Profile Page - August 7, 2008 1:03 PM

lets give Aaron Rogers a season before we burn him at the stake. I think it was the likes of players like ryan grant, greg jenning, and the o-line that got this team to the NFC championship game. give him a chance before you start bashing! oh and to Favre. Enjoy getting your ass beat in NY bitch!

Kodiakman Author Profile Page - August 7, 2008 2:13 PM

Like the curse of the Bambino and the Billie Goat of the Cubbies, this is what packer fans are looking at. They Doomed themselves, and bring it on them. That being said, the Bears made it to a superbowl and their QB was shit, check that, is. Above post by djswing was right. Green Bay fans feel like they are a part of the team, hence the enitre stadium is season tickets and back logged 40-50 years to get them. This has the feel of white collar exec's trying to make a name for themselves to be the next Ron Wolf. Terd Thompson, you suck, fix your eyebrows you look stupid, like a retarded owl or something. knock it off. Dam it. Well, I always like the Cardnals, better buy NFL Ticket. Czabe, you said watching Farve this year will be like watching your hot ex-girlfriend out dating, I think that it is more like watching your best freind's hot ex-wife and wishing for a chance (and she does too, just wants attention though)but trying to stay loyal to your boy. Shit. That sums up the feelings of Packerland.

JiminMilwaukee Author Profile Page - August 7, 2008 2:50 PM

Everybody's writing about Brett Favre, so why can't I? (posting from an internal e-mail I just read; Jeff G. in Milwaukee)

Well it happened. After a month of speculation and tribulation, Brett Favre is now Broadway Brett The Jet. Kudos to NYC for inking the statistically GREATEST QUARTERBACK of ALL TIME to be there starter for a conditional 4th round draft pick! Amazing. Ron Wolf's head is probably bobbling around like his '96 Superbowl bobblehead likeness right now.

You CANNOT argue that the Packers did ANYTHING right in this situation. From the meetings, to the PR, to the eventual trade. The Packers wanted their cake and to eat it to. They say they didn't want this circus? I call shenanigans. If they didn't, all they had to do was simply RELEASE the QB they didn't think was good enough to start for them anyway. Who cares if he ended up in Minnesota. Hey Teddy T, would you be this scarred if it were Aaron Rogers going to Minnesota? Yeah me either.

Ted, your methods and your words are suspect my friend. You wanted to protect Favre's legacy? C'mon now, trading him to the Jets doesn't protect his legacy, publicly calling him out doesn't protect his legacy, and letting the train "leave the station" without him doesn't protect his legacy either. At some point in his life, every man has to serve somebody Ted....you should have served Brett Favre's ego instead of your own on this one (let us not forget Rogers is Teddys boy-he hand picked him)...

In today's age, a player (much less a superstar player) sticking with the same team for 16 NFL seasons is virtually unheard of. Favre did it. Nobody had ever thrown 422 touchdowns, then Favre did it. Who has the most consecutive games played...Yep. Most passing yards EVER...uh huh. Yeah Aaron Rogers seems like the right choice to me to, he's played in (count 'em) 3 regular season games, he holds NO NCAA records, NO divisional records, not even one SCHOOL record! Yep, seems logical to me. Hey at least his attitude is horrible by comparison. He's handled this situation well according to Packers management....I ask: Did he have a choice? Handle it poorly and the fans would be pulling a Sir William Wallace on him in Green Bay right there on Holmgren Way-stretching his innards across Brown County.

I can understand that Favre really screwed the pooch on this whole coming back thing. I mean, he changed his mind. How human of him. Yeah he changed his mind in the final hour, how typically human. This guy played football for one team longer than most people stay married in this country. He watched coaches, players and front office people come and go. He watched them draft his replacement 3 years ago and embraced him with open arms. He took a dramatic pay cut at one point in the interest of winning. He gave his thoughts on how to make the team better because they asked him to; only to watch his advice go unheard (TO and Moss, Mariucchi). (In the end, you worked for Favre and NOT the other way around, you should have learned that lesson Toad..er Ted.) The people of Green Bay may own the Packers, but since 1992 it's been Bretts team. At the end of the day, this will go down as a blemish for the Packers organization; NOT for Brett Favre. Whether he wins or loses in NYC, he has won. His legacy will remain just like Joe Montana's did...he went to KC and never won the big game there, but he is still a legend AND a 49er because of how they handled the situation. You don't beat an old dog before you take out back and shoot it....Ted Thompson I hope you choke on a BIG APPLE this year.

It's sad when an organization turns its back on its native son. Brett's old. He's worn out. He's got a sac of fluid on his brain. And on Sunday, he could graciously go into battle in my teams uniform. Congratulations NY Jets, you not only STOLE and elite quarterback from a team that is too naive to realize they needed him, but you gained one Midwest fan today. The NFL network will get my dollars this year so that I can catch Jets games.

Later Brett, I hope you understand that you didn't deserve this and that Ted Thompson couldn't manage a Dairy Queen in New York City.....Now go roll the Patriots like Quaker does oats.

lunarluau Author Profile Page - August 7, 2008 3:30 PM

I think it's because he's just another dick professional athlete.

skwurl_27 Author Profile Page - August 7, 2008 5:01 PM

tiki---you're an idiot. for one thing, favre has two daughters, and his wife isn't keeping him from having a "good 'ol time" with the boys---he's an admitted alcoholic and drug addict. I'm sure he really hates having to stay home with his gorgeous wife.......

Goonies93 Author Profile Page - August 7, 2008 5:49 PM

Look, It comes down to Who gives you the chance to win more football games. The answer is Favre. People say Aaron deserves a chance. People this is the NFL. There are Tons of great players that never get a chance to be what they could be becuase there is a Better player sitting in front of him. I like aaron, But he doesnt deserve anything. Im sorry. Im more upset because it seems like Favre wasnt givin back the starting Job because of Principle, just cause he left and ted wants this to be Aarons team. People say, well her left, its Aarons job now. Its not fair to take it away.

Look at it this way. Lets take Favre out of the picture. He retires. The torch is handed to Aaron rodgers. Then lets say suddenly Tom Brady has a falling out with the Patriots and says, I want out. He wants to come to the Packers and he says he will only play for 2 yrs tops. You're telling me that we should stick with Aaron just because we already told him that its his Job!! Thats BS and every football fan knows it. Guys lose jobs they were promised all the time. It may stink. But thats the NFL, thats Business. I would've said Aaron, im sorry. But favre is back, hes a better QB, and he gives us the best chance to win.. Bottom line. end of story.

I like aaron. I dont think its fair to him to get caught in the middle of all this. I think he will be a good QB, maybe even a great QB. But He will not be a Brett Favre.

Goonies93 Author Profile Page - August 7, 2008 5:50 PM

Look, It comes down to Who gives you the chance to win more football games. The answer is Favre. People say Aaron deserves a chance. People this is the NFL. There are Tons of great players that never get a chance to be what they could be becuase there is a Better player sitting in front of him. I like aaron, But he doesnt deserve anything. Im sorry. Im more upset because it seems like Favre wasnt givin back the starting Job because of Principle, just cause he left and ted wants this to be Aarons team. People say, well her left, its Aarons job now. Its not fair to take it away.

Look at it this way. Lets take Favre out of the picture. He retires. The torch is handed to Aaron rodgers. Then lets say suddenly Tom Brady has a falling out with the Patriots and says, I want out. He wants to come to the Packers and he says he will only play for 2 yrs tops. You're telling me that we should stick with Aaron just because we already told him that its his Job!! Thats BS and every football fan knows it. Guys lose jobs they were promised all the time. It may stink. But thats the NFL, thats Business. I would've said Aaron, im sorry. But favre is back, hes a better QB, and he gives us the best chance to win.. Bottom line. end of story.

I like aaron. I dont think its fair to him to get caught in the middle of all this. I think he will be a good QB, maybe even a great QB. But He will not be a Brett Favre.

SuperDave Author Profile Page - August 7, 2008 6:15 PM

I think Brian Nelson hit this one right on the head.
Now, remember the 4 and 12 season a few years ago? Remember everyone and their brother clammering that Brett should retire? Now a few years later, those same people are having a fit because Brett won't be playing for the Packers.
What's done is done. I for one, will be following the Jets a little closer this year. I will also be following the Packers.
Is Rodgers the next Brett Favre?
NO.
Hell, he might not even be the next Steve McNair. but I doubt he'll be the next Ryan Leaf either.
And just for fun, Google "Worst NFL Quarterback ever." Troy Aikman.... yes, THE Troy Aikman made that list twice. So you might want to have just a little patience with Aaron Rodgers.

denny Author Profile Page - August 7, 2008 8:39 PM

We're not getting the whole story from either side, and probably never will. Everyone stop speculating how you think it all went down. You have no idea. What goes on behind the scenes is night and day from what you hear in a press conference. Embrace Rodgers, he's the guy now, and just may be a lot more talented than we've seen from him. I love Favre too, but get over it, or go be a fan of someone else's team, especially if you're one of those idiots who was booing Rodgers. Classless. This is football you wussy ass dorks.

Chumbawamba Author Profile Page - August 7, 2008 8:42 PM

I can understand Bradshaw being depressed after he stopped playing. I believe he's gone thru a few costly divorces and never earned the kind of cash they're pulling down now in the NFL, but how could Favre be depressed when he's got an estate in Mississippi, a hot wife, family and friends and more money than he, his kids and their kids could possibly spend? Hunting, golf, fishing, schtupping the wife and, I'm sure, eventually being paid to be a goodwill ambassador for the Packrers sounds like a schweeet life to me. Why does he still want to get pounded on every Sunday?

DJ Swing Author Profile Page - August 7, 2008 8:57 PM

This would have never happened under Bob Harlan.

Meiz Author Profile Page - August 7, 2008 11:33 PM

cpac4 is clearly retarded

Bman Author Profile Page - August 8, 2008 8:20 AM

Good Riddance Crazy F**cker

Big Daddy Cheese Author Profile Page - August 8, 2008 10:30 AM

McCarthy, Thompson and Murphy will go down as the the Three Wise Men or Stooges. Only time will tell. My initial reaction is that they are the Three Stooges. Successful organizations typically are good at communication and handling big egos. Whether Brett is Clinically Depressed or not is no different than any exec handling todays Superstars. Yes Brett is a bit of a DIVA but others have been able to handle him with success. Shame on the way these three executives screwed this up and shame on the board for rolling over. You have a President who was college experience where the players went there for an education providing no expereience. You have a Head Coach whose "Train has left" soon to be derailed and still believes he can coach like they did in the 60's. Finally you have a GM whose own ego got in the way of how to handle a Superstar. Good luck recruiting a top talent to Green Bay when you sh&^ all over the face of the Franchise for 16 years. What Ron Wolf did by trading for Brett and beinging in Reggie to turn around a losing team has all but been destroyed with the Three Wise Men's creditability.

Great Teams is not only about just Chemistry but talent. Handling that Talent is an art that no longer exists in Green Bay.

Big Daddy Cheese Author Profile Page - August 8, 2008 10:31 AM

McCarthy, Thompson and Murphy will go down as the the Three Wise Men or Stooges. Only time will tell. My initial reaction is that they are the Three Stooges. Successful organizations typically are good at communication and handling big egos. Whether Brett is Clinically Depressed or not is no different than any exec handling todays Superstars. Yes Brett is a bit of a DIVA but others have been able to handle him with success. Shame on the way these three executives screwed this up and shame on the board for rolling over. You have a President who was college experience where the players went there for an education providing no expereience. You have a Head Coach whose "Train has left" soon to be derailed and still believes he can coach like they did in the 60's. Finally you have a GM whose own ego got in the way of how to handle a Superstar. Good luck recruiting a top talent to Green Bay when you sh&^ all over the face of the Franchise for 16 years. What Ron Wolf did by trading for Brett and beinging in Reggie to turn around a losing team has all but been destroyed with the Three Wise Men's creditability.

Great Teams is not only about just Chemistry but talent. Handling that Talent is an art that no longer exists in Green Bay.

Big Daddy Cheese Author Profile Page - August 8, 2008 10:31 AM

McCarthy, Thompson and Murphy will go down as the the Three Wise Men or Stooges. Only time will tell. My initial reaction is that they are the Three Stooges. Successful organizations typically are good at communication and handling big egos. Whether Brett is Clinically Depressed or not is no different than any exec handling todays Superstars. Yes Brett is a bit of a DIVA but others have been able to handle him with success. Shame on the way these three executives screwed this up and shame on the board for rolling over. You have a President who was college experience where the players went there for an education providing no expereience. You have a Head Coach whose "Train has left" soon to be derailed and still believes he can coach like they did in the 60's. Finally you have a GM whose own ego got in the way of how to handle a Superstar. Good luck recruiting a top talent to Green Bay when you sh&^ all over the face of the Franchise for 16 years. What Ron Wolf did by trading for Brett and beinging in Reggie to turn around a losing team has all but been destroyed with the Three Wise Men's creditability.

Great Teams is not only about just Chemistry but talent. Handling that Talent is an art that no longer exists in Green Bay.

Big Daddy Cheese Author Profile Page - August 8, 2008 10:54 AM

McCarthy, Thompson and Murphy will go down as the the Three Wise Men or Stooges. Only time will tell. My initial reaction is that they are the Three Stooges. Successful organizations typically are good at communication and handling big egos. Whether Brett is Clinically Depressed or not is no different than any exec handling todays Superstars. Yes Brett is a bit of a DIVA but others have been able to handle him with success. Shame on the way these three executives screwed this up and shame on the board for rolling over. You have a President who was college experience where the players went there for an education providing no expereience. You have a Head Coach whose "Train has left" soon to be derailed and still believes he can coach like they did in the 60's. Finally you have a GM whose own ego got in the way of how to handle a Superstar. Good luck recruiting a top talent to Green Bay when you sh&^ all over the face of the Franchise for 16 years. What Ron Wolf did by trading for Brett and beinging in Reggie to turn around a losing team has all but been destroyed with the Three Wise Men's creditability.

Great Teams is not only about just Chemistry but talent. Handling that Talent is an art that no longer exists in Green Bay.

ROD Author Profile Page - August 8, 2008 1:42 PM

I think a mistake that everyone is making is thinking this is now over. Look for Brett to comment in the coming weeks that maybe he should have stayed in Green Bay and don't be surprised if he retires again.

TAZ Author Profile Page - August 9, 2008 6:53 AM

ROD
Your are right on.
He is nearly 39, out of shape and egotistical.
An NFL season is long.

ROD....Good call.

cartman Author Profile Page - August 12, 2008 9:30 AM

Sorry Rod and Taz. The ONE THING Brett is not is a quitter. He's gutted out 16 years without missing a game. He may only play one year, but he certainly won't quit on his committment this season.

Bear Author Profile Page - August 13, 2008 2:37 PM

Favre said when he retired that it isn't as fun playing on a team that's expected to win, so I don't know how committed he would have been to the Packers the whole season. No one knows how well he would have held up at 39, or if he would have reverted to his less than stellar 05 and 06 form.

While I believe Thompson is an egotist that wants to see his draft pick pan out at QB, I do believe he has the long term success of the franchise at heart. If Rogers sits another year, do the Packers throw buckets of money at a totally unproven QB, or go with a journeyman backup, or go with an uproven rookie into the future? Give Rodgers a chance to prove himself while he has a lot of talent around him. If Rodgers pans out, this talented team could contend for multiple Super Bowls. This seems to be the smoothest way to transition into the next Packer Dynasty. Brett's the best, but at some point all parties have to move on, and leave the past behind.

IPBprez Author Profile Page - August 15, 2008 6:38 AM

Like most Packerfans, I will miss having the Gunslinger around. Cheeseheads everywhere have been spoiled with having a QB that can stretch the field (although not always in our favor) like Favre can do. It was a great run, ending on a top-drawer season. No one knows how well he will do, but the Packers bringing in Aaron Rodgers (Bootlegger) was a normal process all Teams go thru as their Star QB get past the age of 30-35. There's nothing shocking about that process. The shocking part was watching Favre act like he shouldn't have to be hospitable to the guy. In fact, I would take it one step further and remember that Favre used to say he shouldn't have to be the Leader of the Pack - "these guys are paid a lot of money, I shouldn't have to rah-rah them into a winning mindset" (I paraphrase, but real Packerfans will remember reading that comment by Brett in the papers many years ago, after Reggie White was gone)

I read a comment on comparing Bart Starr & Brett Favre and I totally agree that the Gunslinger attitude is great to watch and keeps you on the edge of your seat, making for some great football game(s) to watch, but I would have rather had more quality (Superbowl Trophies) from the guy than the extensive production (most passes ever thrown?), as well. More quality over production would have brought home more Lombardi's, the biggest item missing in his long career. It's a bit depressing, to have to admit that "Brett Favre Is The Most Intercepted Quarterback in NFL History" and now he has a chance to extend THAT streak. I think everyone should take other QB's timelines & success and when they stop, compare Favre with exactly the same amount of tenure - see what you find out.

As for the recent turning down by Brett Favre of the millions ($$$) in his share of the Football Jersey sales, he could have went ahead and took that money and then surprised everyone.... by giving it to the aging, disabled Players of the old days, like Willie Wood, Herb Adderley, etc.,etc. As far as that goes, John Madden could do these former greats a real service by donating a sizable chunk of his Madden video game receipts to those very same Players, as well.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/01/sports/football/01araton.html

I have a real question as to who's been advising Brett all along. Because, whomever it is doesn't seem to really care about the game itself or the Players who made it possible for Favre, Manning, etc., to make $100mil/10 years for just "playing a game"... And, yes, I think Favre just walked away from a SuperBowl caliber Team primed for another run. And, no, I don't think this is clinical depression.

I'll miss the guy, of course. He will always be a Packer. And, they should wait to retire his Jersey until after he really has retired +1 year more-give everyone time to heal. You heard him, he knows he'll always be a Packer! Heck, they waited several Seasons before giving anyone ol' #93 to wear, they can hold off letting anyone else wear #4.

I wish Brett Favre good luck!

IPBprez Author Profile Page - August 15, 2008 6:39 AM

Like most Packerfans, I will miss having the Gunslinger around. Cheeseheads everywhere have been spoiled with having a QB that can stretch the field (although not always in our favor) like Favre can do. It was a great run, ending on a top-drawer season. No one knows how well he will do, but the Packers bringing in Aaron Rodgers (Bootlegger) was a normal process all Teams go thru as their Star QB get past the age of 30-35. There's nothing shocking about that process. The shocking part was watching Favre act like he shouldn't have to be hospitable to the guy. In fact, I would take it one step further and remember that Favre used to say he shouldn't have to be the Leader of the Pack - "these guys are paid a lot of money, I shouldn't have to rah-rah them into a winning mindset" (I paraphrase, but real Packerfans will remember reading that comment by Brett in the papers many years ago, after Reggie White was gone)

I read a comment on comparing Bart Starr & Brett Favre and I totally agree that the Gunslinger attitude is great to watch and keeps you on the edge of your seat, making for some great football game(s) to watch, but I would have rather had more quality (Superbowl Trophies) from the guy than the extensive production (most passes ever thrown?), as well. More quality over production would have brought home more Lombardi's, the biggest item missing in his long career. It's a bit depressing, to have to admit that "Brett Favre Is The Most Intercepted Quarterback in NFL History" and now he has a chance to extend THAT streak. I think everyone should take other QB's timelines & success and when they stop, compare Favre with exactly the same amount of tenure - see what you find out.

As for the recent turning down by Brett Favre of the millions ($$$) in his share of the Football Jersey sales, he could have went ahead and took that money and then surprised everyone.... by giving it to the aging, disabled Players of the old days, like Willie Wood, Herb Adderley, etc.,etc. As far as that goes, John Madden could do these former greats a real service by donating a sizable chunk of his Madden video game receipts to those very same Players, as well.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/01/sports/football/01araton.html

I have a real question as to who's been advising Brett all along. Because, whomever it is doesn't seem to really care about the game itself or the Players who made it possible for Favre, Manning, etc., to make $100mil/10 years for just "playing a game"... And, yes, I think Favre just walked away from a SuperBowl caliber Team primed for another run. And, no, I don't think this is clinical depression.

I'll miss the guy, of course. He will always be a Packer. And, they should wait to retire his Jersey until after he really has retired +1 year more-give everyone time to heal. You heard him, he knows he'll always be a Packer! Heck, they waited several Seasons before giving anyone ol' #93 to wear, they can hold off letting anyone else wear #4.

I wish Brett Favre good luck!

IPBprez Author Profile Page - August 15, 2008 6:47 AM

Sorry guys, for the multiple duplicate posting(s).... when the page displays success on submitting, it's showing a Webserver error..... gave me the wrong impression....



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